About the Episode :
Darcy Luoma tells us the unbelievable story that did not inspire her book, but made her live out her own preachings of being Thoughtfully Fit. Learn how she overcame her husband’s arrest while running her own company, and having to take on the role of solely parenting her two teenage daughters.
About the Guest :
Darcy Luoma, author of Thoughtfully Fit, is a Master Certified Coach, dynamic facilitator, and inspiring motivational speaker. She has worked as director for a U.S. Senator, deputy transition director for a governor, and on the national advance team for two U.S. presidential campaigns. As the owner and CEO of Darcy Luoma Coaching & Consulting, she’s worked in forty-eight industries with more than five hundred organizations to create high-performing people and teams. The media has named Darcy the region’s favorite executive-and-life coach four times. Darcy balances her thriving business with raising her two energetic teenage daughters, adventure travel, and competing in triathlons.
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What’s shakin! Welcome back to ALL IN, I’m your host Rick Jordan. Before we get going, I’m always asking this share this episode with at least three people you’re going to want to, Because we bring on amazing guests all the time and today is no difference is, Darcy has worked as a director for a US senator, a deputy transition director for a governor and was on the national advanced team for two US presidential campaigns. But here’s the thing she’s also author of thoroughly sorry thoughtfully fit, where she explains the trauma of her husband’s arrest for sexual assaults. What an interesting life to have led over the past couple years but Darcy Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much, Rick, it’s great to be here.
You’re from Madison right? I know the CrossFit Games are there, but you’re a triathlon? That’s incredible. I always like to ask these personal questions too. When did you start getting into that because then we’ll dive into all the amazing stuff you’ve done and you are doing but this is one of those right, why don’t you get into that?
So I just finished my 23rd Season of doing triathlon.
Holy moly. Yeah, it didn’t look like you were an amateur.
The only season I missed was when my second daughter was born. That summer I didn’t do one that year.
Wow, that’s incredible. But what’s the training regimen for something like that?
Well, it depends. So when I did the full Iron Man I trained for 55 weeks, and it was intense. We’d build for three weeks and then come back. Bring it down for a week and then build three and then come down. Now I do mostly sprint and Olympic distances because I’m a single mom and I don’t have time to train to do a full Iron Man at this stage in life. That’s a lot more. It’s not quite so overwhelming. I train six days a week.,
Yeah, wow. So your book is thoughtfully set and this ties into the single mom-ness. I mean there’s some amazing things that you’ve done, I read them off while I introduced you. We’ll dive into some of those too, But let’s talk about your book. What did you go through and why did you write this?
I wrote the book, Rick because I spent a couple decades in politics, I witnessed so many people who had a passion and they had a message and they wanted to make an impact in the world, but they didn’t know how to handle themselves thoughtfully and so they would have protests, they come into the senator’s office and they demand and there be conflict. And they didn’t get the results that they wanted, and I started to notice, then with my own clients coaching clients these themes on obstacles and hurdles that get in the way of being high performing, and that’s when I started to research, what are the hurdles that everybody experiences that prevent them from getting the results being high performing and being all in and their life, and that’s where thoughtfully fit came out with six hurdles that everybody struggles with. And the model came alive.
That’s incredible. It sounds like you’re talking politics, you’re talking a lot about chest pounding there, it sounds like that’s the typical if you roll your eyes, you’re listening to this on Apple podcasts or Spotify, Darcy had the best eye roll I’ve ever seen in my life. That’s awesome.
Oh yes, I mean people are challenging in general, we’re human, we’re flawed, and yet there’s something about in politics where it seems to be amplified, and in some cases even more toxic.
For sure. And it’s not just men to you it’s men and women, that seems to be the same approach Yeah, which, which to US presidential campaigns?
Oh yes, back in 2000 Yes, yes. Oh that was a lovely moment in our history where I…
I was on the front lines. Talk about emotions.
No doubt, no doubt. It’s interesting how you’re saying that they’d have all these things that they want to accomplish and I caught something in what you said that it seemed like for the most part at least going into it. A lot of these individuals, maybe there might have been self delusion, or some of them a little narcissistic but at the same time, it sounds like a lot of the politicians really had something they genuinely wanted to change for the good. Is that accurate?
Absolutely. And let me be clear that this wasn’t only the politicians, but these were constituents who were coming in to lobby the Senator on things that they cared about: Social Security or health care. This was staffers. This was a congressional aides and other offices and workers at all of the federal agencies, so it wasn’t even just the principal, it’s and it goes beyond that, we’re human and we aren’t always trained to know how to interact, when we’re passionate about something and when there’s conflict and when life gets hard.
Yeah, for sure. So, is that I mean there’s a lot of conflict in politics, right, and your book is a lot of it’s a lot about this but I know you even go into the trauma of your ex husband and their two but around the politics stuff with all the chest thumping and everything. Where did you see that they could. I’m sure there were moments right that you witnessed that the candidates were thoughtfully fit in those moments right I mean especially because if you worked on Bill Clinton’s campaign I mean the Duke one right Al Gore didn’t win but Bill Clinton won two terms, which was incredible, you know, as a president himself. I thought he did a fantastic job actually as I thought he was a good president, you know, advanced a lot of very very good things, And you can tell that he had good good initiatives and good intentions. Yeah. Where were those moments to where you felt, wow, this dude is actually really present right now.
Well I’ll tell you what, you’re right, and regardless of what you think about his politics and whether you are a democratic republic. Exactly, Yeah. That aside, I remember I was preparing and doing advanced for a rally, and I worked full time creating these 1520 30,000 person events, and at the end of one rally, it was in the pure Wisconsin, President Clinton came up afterwards and shook my hand and said thank you. And there was chaos all around, and I felt like I was the only person in the world and that moment for that handshake for that 30 seconds. That’s a gift to be that present.
Yep, yeah right on for sure it is, I would notice that too and it’s a I’ve even instituted a little form of his handshake too because a lot of people when I’m really focused on them, it won’t just be a handshake for me it’ll also be kind of like a grab on the upper shoulder area to to bring them in close just to help them feel it’s like I’m really focused on you right now. I’m very present in this moment and then I saw him doing some of the same things, you know, it’s like that’s it’s a tool for me you know, as I’m sure it was for him and obviously it made you feel good in the moment, too.
Oh absolutely and I love that you are looking at ways how you connect and be present, and you know that’s one example of when it was sort of calm and positive. Yeah, give you one more quick example the US senator that I worked for in Wisconsin Herb Kohl he was an office for 24 years. I ran his Madison office for 12 years, we were going to an event on the Capitol Square in Madison, and just as he was being introduced to go up on the podium. Some protesters took over and they went up on the podium took over and they’re yelling and screaming, and of course, myself and the other staffers who were there looking at him like, do you want us to go, you know, get the police go get them. He said, No, no, just let it be, they have something to say, Let him say it, and he just smiled and listened. And they realized they weren’t going to get a ruckus, they weren’t going to get arrested right they wanted to have something and so they calm down, they got off the stage, he went up, and then they started to yell at him and he just calmly said, you know, I respectfully listen to you, I’d love to have the same respect that you listen to my message. And they did. It was a beautiful example, oh, being thoughtfully fit.
That’s amazing. One that I can remember too and you know because like you said about President Clinton, you know, regardless of your politics, there’s just certain things that you can’t ignore which is why I’d say that he is he, in my opinion he was a good president. Yeah, and I look at even with a successor George W Bush, I remember watching on video I’ve seen this, where he was notified what was going on with the 911 attacks, he was reading books to children in preschool. And in that moment he, he also remained present with them and went back to finish the book, rather than getting up in a scurry and giving the kids like the the impression that they’re not important, he did the opposite of that, in the moment and said I’m here with you right now we’re going to finish this. What’s another three minutes in this moment because these kids from here on out are going to watch how I’m gonna handle the next seven years, and I need to be a good example right now and present for them.
That’s a perfect example. And at the core of thoughtfully fit just like if you’re physically fit, you have a strong, where you can make every movement easier, right. Yeah, the core of thoughtfully fit are three simple steps, you pause in the moment and think, ask yourself some thoughtful questions how do I want to show up right now what’s most important in this moment, and then you act thoughtfully and that example where you have George W Bush, there was definitely a pause, and it was on video, very thoughtfully instead of what I just had a client say to me recently she said Darcy I do the steps backwards I act impulsively and then I pause and think, oh, I shouldn’t have done that.
That’s great. It’s really cool too and we can move past this part of the conversation with this but you look back at some of the presidents do and you see like some of the best of friends you look at George HW Bush, who preceded President Bill Clinton, you know, and they were the best of friends and how they went on to do humanitarian missions, I mean, a hardcore Republican and a hardcore Democrat joining forces because they both have good intentions, and then of course George W Bush on that too is good friends with the Clinton family as well you know they mean close contact for that things went a little bit off. As far as maintaining that that momentum through the friendships over the years with Barack Obama, unfortunately and he’s not as connected but it’s almost like a you’ve been through what I’ve been through and in those moments too we can see where we’ve made our mistakes, pounded our chest where we weren’t thoughtfully fit and now let’s take another clause after that and say how are we going to handle this after our terms.
Absolutely and that’s, I mean my vision is to create a world where people are thoughtfully fit because Black Lives Matter protests social unrest, strong unions about wearing masks, not wearing masks vaccines, there’s a lot, and people get worked up and if, if we can handle that conflict and differences opinion thoughtfully, we can get to a place, I think as a society that’s better than when there is this you know shutting down and overreacting and impulsive, you know, anger at somebody who disagrees. It’s okay you disagree, let’s talk about it let’s figure out where we want to go, thoughtfully.
For sure, President Bill Clinton disagrees with his predecessor, George HW. That’s how we won. But then after that they’re like hey you know what this was great we both have good things let’s do good things for humanity. And then that’s what they did every time, every time I remember seeing the TV commercials with both of them sitting side by side, golfing after you know it was just incredible. Absolutely wonderful. You had an experience in your life that also contributed to your book, that your husband’s arrest, can you tell me more about that.
Yeah, it was horrible. It was the most awful moment of my life. So I was at an event and I got a phone call from my neighbor. And she said, Darcy, what’s going on at your house, and I’m like, I, I don’t know why I’m not I’m not at home. There’s a SWAT team there, 40 or 50 police cars, they’ve got guns, they’re surrounding your house and they just took out John in handcuffs, he was barefoot, he wouldn’t look at us, and like, what, well, my husband. What are you talking about. He was arrested that day, um, he was a full time stay at home dad to our two daughters who had that who at the time were eight and nine, and he was arrested for sexual assault of a minor he had met online. He never came home. The trial and legal proceedings took a year and a half and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. And in that moment, my world turned upside down, and all of a sudden I became Ground Zero to test drive thoughtfully fit I had I finalized it like five days before, literally after years of research and my attorney said, I had to hire an attorney that the charges were so severe, there are media trucks in front of the house, I mean, you know his picture all over the news and mug shot my attorney said Dorsey don’t talk to anybody about anything. Don’t talk, you need to hunker down. And so all of a sudden I became my own client to use thoughtfully fit to pause and think in these, you know, situations where I was blindsided and I had more people problems than I ever could have imagined.
Well, when you got that phone call, how did you feel at that moment?
Oh, I mean my heart’s racing right now, panic, fear, disbelief. My first thought was where my girls are, where am I, where are my girls safe, what it was like time was in this work, and when. So when my neighbor called. And I didn’t know what happened. I said okay, I’ll be right at home and on my drive home the detective called and said we just wanted to let you know, we have detained your husband and we want to see where your girls are and make sure that they’re safe. I don’t know where my girls are. It’s 2:15. My husband takes care of them. They should be on the bus on the way home, but I don’t know if they have a playdate or if they have gymnastics, right now, I panicked. I mean, it was really, in that moment very challenging to pause and after sort of overreacting and spiraling, That’s when I pulled over my car, literally in just a pause think okay there see think what breve, there is no good that’s going to come from you being in this emotional hyper state, you need to be calm, and you need to figure out how to handle this what’s the next move.
Well goodness. After you figured out what were those next steps that you took?
Well, so, the first thing I did is track down where the girls were and make sure they were safe and when they got off the school bus. I have my neighbors just grabbed them and happened to be St Patrick’s Day, they grab them hey do you want to go get green shakes so that the girls wouldn’t see that you know they, they’re up on a block away where the school is strips them off, they wouldn’t see the cars and the officers and the guns. So first steps were to take care of the girls, the police were executing a search warrant in my house they wouldn’t let me in, it took, I don’t even know, five hours until I was able to get in. And so the first thing I did was drove to a library and checked out a room, so I could find a place to just, just breathe and just to just literally pause because everything was spiraling, and that’s where then I called a friend who was an attorney and I said, I need help I don’t know what’s going on. And that started then, you know, The, what was a long, painful journey to discovering the, you know, the, what my husband was arrested for to having to figure out how to run my business while being my mom while getting groceries while driving them to haircuts all the things that you know are we had a very non traditional marriage and I know you support a lot of women business owners, right on. Yeah, I couldn’t have a successful business because of what my husband did for lunch. So it was a lot for me to figure out how to manage and navigate all of that on my own.
Sounds like he was pretty supportive during those years?
He was incredibly, incredibly supportive to me and to my daughters, it was his passion, it was his purpose in life, but sadly he had this double life and it really, it destroyed him.
Well, there’s a, I was on a show yesterday with the psychiatrists too and he had a phrase to say, forgiveness is accepting the apology that you’ll never receive. And it was important in that moment when I felt I was like, I just I was he said it too because I love having people on the show like you because I can go through things and you challenge me, you know, like he did yesterday, but I wanted to share that with you today because that’s probably your circumstance.
All I will say, I mean I have come to a place of complete forgiveness. We are now divorced, and we have been co parenting in the best way we can with him in prison. I have 100% sole custody but every child psychologist I talked to said, if the children are not at risk, they’re not at harm which thankfully they never were. Yeah, it’s always in the best interest for them to have a relationship with an incarcerated parent. And so I made a decision to move through this. Now, thankfully I did get an apology. John felt horrendous, about what he did he was out of control, and I chose to move forward with a relationship and redesigning it in the way that would work for our family, without the the normal structure of a family where he’s home and we’re married and right he’s co parenting and owners have have forgiven their dad and we visit him I mean pre COVID visit him in prison and they talk on the phone and they write letters.
Oh that’s so awesome. You are the living, breathing example of the book that you wrote. How did your book help you design and create that new life for yourself?
Well it’s funny, because I knew I wanted to write a book I’m thoughtfully fit right. So, it all came alive. Five days later my life blew up so it took a while before I was ready to tackle writing the book. Yeah right.
I wrote this amazing thing. It’s gonna help me right now but I’m gonna throw it on a shelf. No, I get you, but that’s, that’s what you a lot of people do is they’ll isolate in those moments because a lot of the things that are surrounding you are overwhelming
Absolutely, yeah whelming so by the time then that I decided okay I’m at a place where I’m ready to tackle and write this book I hired some consultants, and we did a two day writing retreats, I had to write the book proposal so that we could pitch it because I really wanted to get a traditional publisher I didn’t want to Self Publish. Yeah, if at all possible, and at the end of the first day I was like this is so good, oh my god the talking about the target market and the comparable titles and how all of this, you know how I’m going to market it. I said, after I wrote this book about pop fly fit. I really want to write a book about Jon’s arrest because this model really helped me navigate that and come through the other side with forgiveness and my life is working and my daughter’s healthy and my business is thriving. And the two consultants. They looked at each other and they smiled, and they’re like Darcy. This is that book. I’m like no, no, no, this book is about the model that fits perfectly. No, this is that book, this, you, you can tell about the model and all that but you need to share how this helped you and your story, like, what did you do when another mom called you and said, If I find the pictures of my daughter in the police I’m sending the mafia to your house. How did you handle that? Right. How did you navigate the crisis, not only the big one of the arrest but then all the ones that came as a result of. So I accepted the challenge and that’s what the book became.
That’s awesome. So you had this amazing thing that you wrote and then because of your experience it was amplified, which is pretty cool. Imagine all the people now that you’re able to touch and help because of this experience you’ve been through. That’s incredible to me because I love how, if you want to call it God the universe, whatever your sources line things up in lives right and it’s not like anyone or anything ever intended you to go through this, right, that wasn’t it. That wasn’t the design but it was taking what you had to go through from somebody else and creating something good out of it that’s amazing Darcy.
Yes, and to me that that’s, that’s the essence of thought play fit we don’t control what happens, we don’t control crises we don’t control when we get laid off, we don’t control when we have a client that’s angry, right, a cancer diagnosis, and a global epidemic pandemic. But we do control how we respond to it, and that determines what happens next. And how many times have you heard stories of people who have lost a leg and they say I’m happier now, I would do it again. What are you kidding? I will say that the awareness that I have the compassion that I have that, you know, going through this tragedy. I would never have had access to, without it.
Yeah. I don’t doubt.
It provides hope for other people, right?
Of course it does,
Fans and listeners who are experiencing some kind of trauma, big even just small conflicts like, oh my neighbor annoys me. There’s hope that you can get through that, and you can be in a place where the relationships can be improved, where you can be handling yourself, thoughtfully where you can have forgiveness, where yeah be overwhelmed and over functioning, for sure.
What was one of your lowest points during those years, you know, even during the trial times.
Well, I’d say probably the lowest point was when I made the decision to move my daughter’s five hours away in another state to go live with my sister. I enrolled them in school there, I gave her legal custody, because the, the story. After my husband was arrested, there were multiple more additional arrests of other suspects. And every time there was another arrest my husband’s mugshot was so this wasn’t a 48 hour news cycle and went away. This kept going and I realized this is not safe for my daughters, this is not where they need to be worried about. I wasn’t scared when I opened the newspaper. I still do get a delivered newspaper to my driveway that they’d see his mugshot and the nightly news of his mugshot and so that was probably the most difficult thing ever because the child psychologist said as much as you can keep life the same for them. And so they did when I said, Okay, I get that. But let me tell you what they’re dealing with and I’d lay this out there like, oh, yeah, you got to move them. You got to get them out of dodge. And so taking them away from their church, from their neighbors from their four h from their Girl Scouts right from their mom. Yeah, yeah, horrible, and it was absolutely the right thing to do. I hired a crisis communications firm and she said, thirsty, you can do what’s right or what’s easy and this is not going to be easy, but it’s what’s right. That was hard. The second thing that probably was the hardest for me, my instinct Rick I mean I’m all in my life.
My instinct was to work harder, I had 10s of 1000s of dollars of bills and growing by the day. My crisis communications person, the president of the company, said, Darcy, You need to take time off. What, I can’t take time off, you need to take time off to deal with this trauma to get your head right. And I said to her, that is opposite of any instinct I have right now. And I hired you to advise me so I’m going to I’m going to listen to you, but I disagree. She was 100% Right. For well hitting the pause button on my life and dealing with all of this I think is part of the reason that I am in a place of forgiveness and and recovery from that, because I didn’t sort of suppress it, right, keep working, put on a happy face. Taking a pause on working and life and being a mom, even my sister thank God she was wonderful and her family. That was hard.
Yeah, for sure. They were your crisis management person who was turning you back to your own book. Did she read it? Exactly. It wasn’t written yet. Did she hold it up and hello Darcy, your words. That’s awesome. I love how the experiences can actually turn us back because I feel at our core, always at our core like we know, what do we really do you know because we’ve had the right advice throughout the course of our life we’ve seen circumstances, we’ve had the experiences, even if it’s something that we’ve really never been through ourselves, we have the resources around us, typically if we just open our eyes to be able to have those people speak into our lives. And it’s interesting because most of the time, they’re not telling us anything we don’t already know. Right, they speak and it’s like, and then it just wells up inside he’s like oh yeah so it’s more of a validation, which should help. Most of the time it helps you trust yourself more too, if you can look at it from that perspective and say what these people are telling me it’s stuff that I’ve thought about for so long but I’ve suppressed it wow I really do know what’s right for myself, I really should trust myself.
And it’s so fascinating Rick that you say at the core, we know the core of thoughtfully fit is three steps you pause, think and act that helps you to be able to access that core right you have to hit the pause button and think, What do I control right now. What do I not control? What are my choices, so that you can act thoughtfully, I mean that it’s beautiful. You just sit at the core, you know what to do. If you give yourself the space and the time and the permission to be able to access that instead of just impulsively acting in the moment, based on your emotions and based on those first sabotaging thoughts right because something happens, we have thoughts, and those thoughts, you can pause and recognize, are these thoughts serving me or sabotaging me. Don’t act if they’re sabotaging you right if somebody sends you an email that’s criticizing you and your first thought is what an idiot and you act on that you’re gonna pound out the response right and hit reply or reply all and make things worse. Yeah, in that moment, you have your first thought, Oh, what an idiot, and then pause and think, Okay, how is that thought, serving me is sabotaging me, don’t act on that, what do I need right now what’s in my control. Well, I could react impulsively to make this worse, or I could get curious and I could acknowledge the person and say hey, it sounds like you’re really angry with me. I’m so glad that you let me know, could I give you a call and we can talk about this. Yeah, and then the whole trajectory of that relationship goes a different way.
That’s incredible. I’ve been in these places in my life before to where I’ve had these loops of self sabotaging thoughts. Yeah and I had to become more self aware and pull myself out of that. But how do you as a coach help people break those loops like I was into where you constantly have these self sabotaging thoughts you just go in circles in your head and never make any movement either.
Oh, absolutely. So, You know what I call those self sabotaging thoughts, thoughtfully fit is all based on this, this metaphor of being physically fit. If you want to be physically fit, you need to train and practice, you can’t wake up on Saturday and just decide to do a marathon anymore then you can wake up and decide to be thoughtfully fit if you haven’t been training and practicing and how to handle yourself how to pause in the moment, right so that you can think and rest yeah and so when you if you ever go to a football game right collegiate football game or a pro game, you see the opposing team talking trash right this trash talk you’re going down. That’s their job. Now you don’t see the football players trying to shut them down and trying to say, you know, stop doing that, you see them getting trained on really clear focus, what’s my mission, what do I have to do right now. We have our own inner trash talk, those self sabotaging thoughts that inner trash talk. What it’s not about is shutting it down and saying don’t because it’s our humanity, right, it just happens we’re human. Instead it’s about choosing to focus, Where am I going to put my attention and what do I control right now. And I’m not okay with that trash talk. Nope, not gonna listen to that. Those self sabotaging thoughts are going to lead to sabotaging actions.
That’s the kicker right there. Yes, if they keep coming then you start taking the actions that don’t serve you either. And that’s because when we keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.
You got it because your thoughts lead to your actions. Yeah, and your actions of course determine your results. So if you’ve got those self sabotaging thoughts that inner trash talk, you get an opportunity to do something, and you say, I’m not, I’m not ready for that I’m not good enough, I don’t know how that is going to those thoughts are going to lead your actions and you you decline that amazing opportunity. And the result is, you stay stuck in status quo, verses when you can recognize pause in the moment and think, okay, are those thoughts sabotaging me, I’m not good enough, I’m not ready, I’m not. Yeah, Okay, what other choices are there, what other options are there. How else could I think about this. Yeah, well, I could think, maybe they see something in me I don’t see, right, maybe this is exactly the opportunity I need to be all in. And then, with those new thoughts that are serving you, you act, and say I would love to explore this opportunity. Does any training come with it, or what
Can you help me a little bit please? Yeah, it was hard enough to make the decision to make a shift in the first place. I’m with you. Yeah, but I did a solo episode a little bit ago and it was about, you know, you really not gonna even know what those are, because what those next steps are until you take that first step until you make that choice until you stop the loops that are in your head and actually choose to move in the direction that you know in your core is right, and you’ll never be able to see beyond that choice until you actually make the choice.
You are absolutely right, and I’m a coach, I’m an executive coach and leadership coach, a life coach right I coach a lot of people, and what you said about 10 minutes ago Rick was so powerful, you said, we know our own truth we know what to do when I’m coaching somebody, I’m not a mentor a lot of times people hear oh we have a coaching culture, our business, they have a mentoring culture if you’re a mentor, you’re the expert right so I’m mentoring you but let me tell you, Rick, what you need to do, I’ve been there I’ve done that, when I’m coaching somebody, I don’t have any idea, you’re the expert and thoughtfully fit is all about giving you the training plan to be able to access that expertise so that you can know and tap into what do I need to do here, and you’re right until you take that time to think about and take that first step. The other ones are not going to reveal themselves.
Yeah, right on. Darcy, I enjoy every single word that’s coming out of your mouth today. It’s incredible. Thank you so much. I want to tell everyone where to find you. It’s Thoughtfully fit is available on Amazon and everywhere. Yep, and your website. Thank you for being on today. It is absolutely incredible.
Oh, Rick, it is such an honor. I love what you’re putting out in the world to help people be all in and to be here with you is fabulous, and if I could, can I take 10 seconds to share one more thing before you thoughtfully fit is based on the top six hurdles that I see people experience getting in the way of them being successful. If anybody wants to go to thoughtfully fit Comm, there’s a free quiz for two or three minutes, they can take the quiz, and it’ll spit out what your biggest hurdle is, and then some strategies and a training plan on how to overcome it.
That’s awesome. I love it, I’m gonna do it. Cool. So look for my email. That’s so cool. Darcy Thank you.
Such a pleasure, Rick. I’m so honored. Thank you.
Important Links (Episode References, hyperlink these):
Bill Clinton – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
Al Gore – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
George W. Bush – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
Herb Kohl – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Kohl
Barack Obama – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Black Lives Matter – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter