Fear Is the Green Light | David Wood

Episode Topics:

• Hear how David went from math and metrics to makeup and movie sets.
  
• Learn why deliberate discomfort might be your next breakthrough tool.
  
• Discover how to have hard internal conversations and make tough decisions.
  
• Get inspired to finally act on that “someday dream” you’ve been sitting on.
  
• Understand how facing fear is exactly how to build a life with no regrets.

 

David Wood  

This year, I realize I’m single, I am mobile, and maybe now’s the time, because I don’t know how long I’ve got on the planet.

 

Rick Jordan  

What shakin, welcome back to all in I’m your host. Rick Jordan, I’m excited today because we got another amazing person coming on that you’re going to want to share this out with a lot of people, because this dude has been around the world, has a lot of stories, and has coached fortune 100 companies on performance. I’m pretty impressed about this, because it has to do with actuarial sciences. So I’m going to ask you right now to share this out with three people, at least three people, because we do not promote, we do not take sponsors. I just need your help, and I’m asking for it so that we can help and grow more people and my man, David Wood, welcome to the show.

 

David Wood  

Thank you. Happy to be here, Rick.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s awesome, man. I was looking a little bit more into your into your information here. And you have one of you, the mentions that you have was from John Lee, demos, right? You were not entrepreneurs on fire a little while back. Yeah, a couple of times with John. Really cool. I was on once last year too for my movie that I produced last year with J Lo. He’s such a good guy, you know, and especially being a veteran, I really appreciate that from him. What movie did you do? Liberty lockdown. It was about government overreach during the pandemic crisis last year, you know? I guess we’re still kind of in that right now, you know, but there’s a there’s some renewed interest in that, and I’m very pleased, and just to even be able to be a part of that process, but I hosted it, and I also executive produced it. It was a lot of fun, man, but that’s how JLD and I connected was, right? Yeah,

 

David Wood  

I just decided to get into acting three months ago. So it’s been a really fun ride, learning what that’s all about, and discovering the industry.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s so cool. It’s so interesting too, because, you know, I’ve gone from musician to business to pastor to back to business, all this stuff. And I look in Actuarial Sciences is, you know, so data driven. And I’ve had a couple of friends who have been in that industry too. And it’s interesting that you would make a transition over to like, you know, because that’s very left brain, right, very, very left brain. But now, you know, because math doesn’t lie. Math is math, you know, we’re not talking about tax accounting here to where you have some creativity that can be involved. It’s data driven. This is the reasons why things are the way that they are, and the reasons why we expect them to be a certain way in the future. Correct? That’s pretty much actuary. 

 

David Wood  

Well, yeah, actuaries are an interesting breed because they they need to be able to handle all the numbers and complex statistics and probability going 100 years into the future, but they also need to have the English skills to be able to communicate complex, abstract concepts to a board. So I got into it, and yeah, it was great for systems and numbers and money and my left brain. And then I discovered a personal growth program and found out I knew nothing about emotional vulnerability, intimacy, true influence and leadership, transparency. So the last half of my life has been catching up with those things, and I made the transition not from actuary to coach, but from actuary to professional entertainer, singing and playing guitar for pubs and parties and even on national TV ones. And then I became a coach, and now I’m diving into the acting. So trying to get that, get that right, brain cooking.

 

Rick Jordan  

No kidding, are we the same person here or something? Because, I mean, it seems like we’ve had some similar ebb and flows through our life. That’s pretty exciting, man, interesting. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, like I said, you know, produced a movie last year too around this and then acting is always something that I thought in the back of my head. It’s like, Huh? I bet you I could do that if I really applied myself. So that’s why. Now, here’s the question, why are you diving into acting now for the industry, right? 

 

David Wood  

I think I can change my background here. I’m going to show you, for anyone who can see the video here, this is what I’m doing right now. This is a scene from Dracula. 

 

Rick Jordan  

Nice, man. I love it. Dude, who’s a makeup artist. They got you going? Pretty good there. 

 

David Wood  

I will, actually, that’s me on makeup. Oh, wow. Yeah, I did that. Get out of the way there. Nice. Yeah. Dracula is looking pretty scary. The reason now is is kind of the universe had a hand in it. I for 10 years, I’ve been thinking I one day, I. Just like to do it one day, right? Yeah, and I’d like to move to Los Angeles and devote myself to acting full time, get some kind of diploma, audition for everything, and just live the life. And if I get some gigs, that’ll be a bonus. And then this year, I realize I’m single, I am mobile, and maybe now’s the time, because I don’t know how long I’ve got on the planet, I want to, I want to do it sooner than later. So I decided, since my lease is up may one, may one’s when I moved to Los Angeles, and I started telling people that was what changed everything. I started telling people, I plan to move to Los Angeles next year. I want to get into acting. And a friend said, I’m going to audition for this local production of Dracula. Do you want to come with me? And part of me was like, hell no, I don’t know how to audition. And another part of me said, Yeah, this sounds like the universe knocking. I should do this. So I went and and auditioned, and they offered me the lead. So now I’m awesome performing in a professional production. I’m actually getting paid for this, and then things have taken off. I got two short films coming up. I just booked my first commercial, and it’s a really fun ride.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s really awesome, man, I’m sure this is gonna be the case, because it’s almost like, because of how the industry sort of collapsed last year, right? The filmmaking industry, there’s probably more opportunity now to get involved than what there really ever has been. Because I’ve always loved movies. I’ve always loved going to the movie theaters, and when they shut down last year, all over the place was like, What am I going to do? You know? Because I love these things. But then even when you started seeing a lot of the independent films started to be pushed into theaters, when the doors opened back up, because all the major studios were pushing out their release dates. You know, I remember Black Widow was one of the ones. But then also the new Bond film, too, still isn’t out yet, you know, actually, or did it come out just, I mean, we’re talking on, we’re in October here. This is publishing a thing in January. But, yeah, the bond was pushed out a year and a half too. But these independent films were cranking. Man, the local productions were cranking as as theaters came back up. So it could be the right, I mean, just like you said, the universe. Man, there’s just the right timing for everything.

 

David Wood  

Yeah, it’s very handy for someone who lives in Colorado. Like, if I was in LA, okay, it’d be different. But the fact that now I can audition for so many things over zoom or just upload, upload an audition tape, now they’ve they’ve all gone virtual, and that makes it more available to people who might not live in a center like LA.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s awesome. I think this is a concept, and it ties into this too, because you said, hey, it’s just something you’ve been wanting to do in your life. Why is playing it safe the most dangerous thing you can do?

 

David Wood  

Well, I’d say 500 years ago, it wasn’t 500 years 1000 years ago, survival was the main, main thing that we’re up for, and so playing it safe, I think, is an evolutionary trait, but nowadays, a lot of people on the planet have got survival handled, and not everybody. But that means that we don’t have to continually play it safe, and the risk is, if we just stay in the comfort zone, we’ll get to our death bed. Look back and say, damn it, I wish I’d gone for it more. I wish I’d asked that woman or that man out. I wish I had moved across country. I wish I had really gone for it in acting, or started that new business, or ask that celebrity to have lunch, or whatever it is that you really want to go for. I don’t want anyone to have regret. I’ve had too much of it in my life, from when I didn’t go for what I wanted, and I let fear run me, and I just stayed comfortable. For example, at school, you know, I almost never stood up to the bullies, and I wish just once, I’d punched a bully on the nose and taken a beating. I wish I’d done that. And so regrets a powerful motivator. Let’s work out now how we want to fully live life, and that’s going to take some risk, and some of it’s going to feel very uncomfortable when I went and auditioned for this, this play, I was very nervous when it came to the dress rehearsal. I was terrified I was going to lose my lines like, I’m not saying it’s easy, but on the other side of it, we can feel really good about ourselves, because we’re really living the life that we want to live. 

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s beautiful man and getting to that point too. I mean, I hear you when you say, regrets, a powerful motivator too. But then there’s also challenges, right? And you’ve got some stories around that. I know you had an accident, right, with a full collapse of a paraglider at some point, and some other things that led you to anxiety, depression. Can you tell me more about that?

 

David Wood  

Yeah, my life. Has not been a lot of it’s been easy, so it’s been a mix. I was blessed to get paid to go to university, and that was at a time when you didn’t act there weren’t fees. Like it was free to go to university, but a company paid me to go and then offered me a job straight out of the gate. So a lot of my life has been blessed. And when I was seven years old, my little sister was killed, and I was there and witnessed it, and so I’ve got some PTSD. I’ve had anxiety and depression, and there have been times in my life when I didn’t know if I was going to make it. I you know, when you’re in full blown anxiety attacks, you don’t know, like, if it gets worse, what’s going to happen? And massive depression, you just, I just didn’t know. And then the paraglider, yeah, that was I had a full collapse at 300 feet, and I walked away from that one, wow. And then I had another collapse at 10 or 15 feet, and I fell under my butt, and that’s when I fractured my spine. But now I’m I’m fully recovered, and I think one of the reasons I tell some of these stories is because I think when people see someone who’s got some form of success and they’re doing something well in life, they might just assume, Oh, that person’s got it all together. They’ve got it all worked out, or they’ve got something I don’t have. No sometimes it’s really, really hard. You just don’t tend to see that. You see the shiny bits of people present to the world. You don’t get to see the underbelly and and what, what they’ve had to go through to get there.

 

Rick Jordan  

Yeah, there’s a I was at a Tony Robbins event recently, too, and he was talking about different things, you know. He was referencing, really, the pandemic and all that. But it correlates to what you’re saying too. Is that his statement was that life is risky unless you choose to just, you know, stick yourself in a house, you know, and that’s it, and then just do nothing. But what kind of a life is that to begin with? Because I would choose to go through the things that you’ve gone through over just having a life of no impact, because it’s even though they Dude, I don’t doubt it. They suck. I’ve had my share of adversity, too, with my dad passing away. I’ve had my share of adversity with a near death experience. I mean, less than a day being away from dead because of a medical thing, the freak medical thing that happened and still out of all of those experiences, are the things that have driven me forward. You know, you’re talking like the power of regret. For me, it was more like the power of what haven’t I accomplished yet, if it’s a form of regret, cool, what haven’t I accomplished yet that I want to, because I’m recognizing that things are going to continue to pop up in my life here and there. And how do I overcome those challenges that I haven’t even seen yet in order to push to another level and impact even more people?

 

David Wood  

Yeah, we’ve gotten very comfortable in our society. I mean, yeah, I don’t I don’t really. I don’t know what it was like 200 years ago, 500 years ago, but I imagine it was harder. It was harder than today. I mean, today, you know, if our chair doesn’t go back far enough on the plane, we’re pissed comfortable, right? Because someone and someone’s bumping us, or my cup of tea is not hot enough, so I got to go in and heat it up. We’ve gotten in such a small comfort bubble that anything like even a cold shower is like, Oh my God, I don’t have a cold shower. And so there’s a practice that that we can take on called practicing deliberate discomfort. You can take on a practice of cold showers just to see what it’s like to be uncomfortable and lean into that. And it can start to translate into other areas, like calling 10 people and asking them if they want to work with you or whatever it is that might be an edge for you.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s intriguing, man, were you in my house a few months ago because the water heater was dead for like, two days, and I hated it.

 

David Wood  

I was dude, mainly, I stay outside looking through the rear window. But there was one time I needed to use the bathroom. I apologize for not asking first.

 

Rick Jordan  

You, and I seem to get along pretty well. So that’s that’s fine. We’ll just let that one slide a little bit. Thanks. That’s awesome, but you’re right, though, because, I mean, even for just those few mornings, I was like, Man, this sucks. This is the worst, you know, and I caught myself in the moments like, but after this five moment, this five Well, it was, I was gonna say five minutes, but it was probably more like five seconds. The fastest showers I’ve ever taken in my life, you know, not the first cold ones. But after those moments of discomfort, it was like, you know, the days were going pretty well, and it was the only thing, but it set me up for the rest of the day. Or I could have let it set me up, I should say, to have just a gloomy outlook for the entire day, just because of that whole thing, you know.

 

David Wood  

Right? And, you know, I just realized it translates not just the physical stuff, right? So we’ve got, we’ve got maybe cold showers. Or going for a run, or exercising longer than feels comfortable, or even I’ve got a chin up bar, and I don’t mind doing the first four to six, but after that, I don’t feel comfortable in the body as I’m doing it. But it also translates to emotional stuff. Are we willing to feel awkward and uncomfortable having a tough, conversation, maybe asking our partner for something sexual in the bedroom that we’ve been wanting, or confessing something to our kids, or, you know, or feeling afraid, feeling, you know, like, are we willing to have those feelings in the moment? It doesn’t feel good, but if we’re willing to do it, usually afterwards, it feels good after I get off stage speaking to a crowd, I feel really grateful that I did it. After I asked that celebrity to endorse my book, I feel proud and I feel good that I gave a shot. I just pitched Allan older from from mash, awesome to be on my podcast, and I haven’t gotten a no yet. He said, reach out to my producer and we’ll see what we can do. But it feels scary doing it, and then afterwards, it generally feels good in my experience. And as a bonus, you might get some really cool results. You might get Jack. I’m blessed to have Jack Canfield write the forward to my my book. It was a lot of work and a lot of risk to get there, but when it happened, oh my god, I was over the I actually remember the moment when I walked up to him in her event and and handed him the draft, because he’d said, I’ll take a look at a draft, and standing there while we’re waiting for the speaker to come on, he just looked through it, changed two pieces of punctuation, and handed it back to me, and I I didn’t know what happened. I’m like, Wait, are we good? He said, Yeah. I said, That’s it. He said, Yeah. I walked away. Oh my god, I got it. I got a fallen by Jack Canfield. So exciting. 

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s awesome, man. That’s putting yourself out there. Brother, that’s amazing. 

 

David Wood  

Over a period of years, for sure. That was a long, the long game.

 

Rick Jordan  

And you generated the momentum off of that too. Because it’s not, it’s I like how you say that you didn’t get a no yet, you know, from from the individual you’re asking on to your podcast, because sometimes it’ll kind of linger there, and it seems like it might linger there for the long time, for a long, long time. But how, how often do you feel like for these big moments in your life, or how many times you feel like you have to ask the question you know, or continue to pursue that route, to make active choices and decisions, to go after an outcome that you’re desiring, that you’re dreaming of.

 

David Wood  

Like, should I keep going, or is it time to let it go? You got it? Yep, yeah. This is a huge question. I think I have a lot to say about it. I and maybe through examples, I can flesh this out. So I’ve got a friend who’s got a product that he wants to bring to market, super passionate about it. He’s been at it for several years and hasn’t raised funding. And, you know, he’s often in the question, should I like, how far should I go? Now, one factor is money. Like, does he have the resources to do it? He’s got time. He’s running out of cash, so you might want to put a timeline on it. Another factor is passion. How important is this? How much do you love it? He said to me recently, if I won the lotto, if I won a million dollars, I would still be doing this, it’s like, okay, so maybe it’s a labor of love. Now, there might come a time where he’s got to go and get a day job, and this becomes more of a hobby. Seth Godin wrote a book called The dip. And very simple concept, but very powerful concept, and it’s all about the rewards tend to lie on the other side of a dip. If, if there wasn’t a dip, everyone would go for it, and they would get the rewards, like qualifying as an actuary. For example, it takes on an average, 10 years to qualify, and it’s blood, sweat and tears, and sometimes you can study for a year, sit a six hour exam, and 80% of people fail the exam, so you got to now go and study for another year with all the changes in legislation, it was horrendous, massive dip. Now, had I known the extent of the dip, I don’t think I would have. Well, I may not have started on the journey, because I would like 10 years and failing again and again and again, and you can’t just stop when you’re 70% of the way through, because it’s like being 70% of a surgeon. You still can’t do surgery right, and actually still can’t sign something person working on me, right? And actuaries, even though. To eight years. If you still haven’t qualified, you can’t sign things required by legislation, so you don’t get the huge pay bump. So that’s an example of a massive, massive dip. Now, if you’re not sure, you’re like, Wait, how far should I go before I give up? I’ll wait. Another example, Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Hansen with Chicken Soup for the Soul. 

 

Rick Jordan  

I love Mark, he’’s been on the show before. Oh, love Mark his wife, Crystal, amazing. Yeah.

 

David Wood  

Right, yeah, such a fun guy. Now, those guys had at least 150 rejections, yeah for their book. And they kept at it. They kept at it. Now, how far do you go? I once did a voice dialog session with myself, and voice dialog is where you get the different parts of your psyche that are that are competing, and you sit them down and have a conversation with them. There was a part in me that was that was wanting to push this, this project that was good for the world and that I really loved, and I wasn’t getting any traction. And there’s another part of me saying, you can’t keep doing this. You’ve got to make money. And it’s like, what’s the answer? So I sat down in two different chairs, and the financial controller would say, We’ve got to make money. And then I go and sit in the other chair and take the other role and say, Yeah, but this is good for the world anyway. After about 510 minutes, we came up with a deal. All right, we’re going to pursue this for another three months, and we’ve got to get a minimum of 10 clients doing this, even at 50% discount. If that doesn’t happen, then, okay, this isn’t viable financially, and we’re going to let it go, but if we do hit that target, we can keep on going. And then I was at peace, because the different parts of me were satisfied, and we come up with a deal, and we weren’t going to indefinitely be going through this dip, like walking through the desert with no water, no so what Seth says is, work out the dip, like take a look at the resources it’s going to take. How much time, how much money? What do you need, emotionally, and do you have that are you likely to stick it out for those big rewards? On the other side of the dip, if you’re not likely to stick it out, don’t begin. There’s no failure in going all the way through the dip, and there’s no failure in saying, Hey, I’m not going to even start, but going halfway through blood, sweat and tears, and then saying, Oh, I don’t think I have what it takes to finish it. I’m out. That doesn’t seem like a good move. 

 

Rick Jordan  

Wow, that’s it. It’s an interesting practice and an integration there too. Is having that dialog with yourself. You know, in that it’s in your example there. It was very pragmatic, right? Both sides were, were coming at it from their own perspectives. That was awesome. Is there sometimes a third person that exists in that dialog too, and that third person takes on almost like an embodiment of fear.

 

David Wood  

 I’ve never gone that far, and I’m not a therapist, not a psychiatrist, but I understand that parts therapy is about like identifying the different parts of us. Usually, in my experience and with my clients, there are two strong voices that are that are warring with each other. We just keep it simple. So there might be a part that’s afraid. That’d be the part I don’t want to I don’t want to go and audition, or I don’t want to go on national television, because I’m really scared. And then there might be another part that’s pushing for it, yeah, but this would be great for business, and you’re going to feel really good about yourself afterwards, if you go and do it, and other things are going to be easier, right? So you go back and you have a conversation with these two parts, and maybe you come up with a deal, okay, what if, like for let’s take the acting audition. I was very scared to go to that audition, but before I went, I did some preparation. I bought the script and read the whole script. I don’t I don’t know if anyone else did that. I memorized the lines for the audition so I didn’t have to look down at the book. I had friends come over and read with me. I Googled how to do a German accent so I could do the Vampire Slayer with a German accent. And then I hired an acting coach, paid him 50 bucks for an hour to show him what I was going to do for the audition, and he gave me some feedback. So you know, that might be part of the deal. All right, we’ll prep and we’ll do this, and we’ll get support from a friend. You’ll have someone come with us and Okay, on that basis, I’m willing to do it and I’m willing to be afraid. That’s huge. Are you willing to be afraid? Okay, yes, I’m willing to feel free. It’s not that big a deal. I’ve had it before. I’ll get through it. I think a lot of us are like, I just don’t want to feel like that, and that’s valid too. Yeah, I just don’t want you to automatically. I don’t want anyone to automatically go to the comfort zone without having looked at what’s possible. And if you say I don’t want to paraglide, because that’s too scary for me, it doesn’t seem like a good time. Okay, don’t do that. That’s a valid choice as well. I just, I think, I just want everyone to make a choice. 

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s incredible. That’s where, really, where we get stuck to, isn’t it? Is this I’ve started to realize over the past couple years that the lack of a choice, the lack of making a choice, is also making a choice, because it’s, it’s choosing to really not do anything in whatever you’re stuck with right now, you know, to even that’s, that’s a good intermediary step, man, I think I’m going to start to practice this on my own too, parts therapy. You know, I almost think, as you were saying this, I envisioned, uh, creating a room for this, even, like in an empty office or something in my office building to go in there and just have two chairs, you know, maybe put some maybe put some ferns in there. So I’m not talking like like Zach elephant ACUs with Between Two Ferns, or something like that, but it’s just this is where my humor goes in my head. But it’s just sitting there and putting myself in this room in two different seats and being able to go back and forth, you know, I’m fairly good at that, but then allow this for other people too. Really like not making a choice is making a choice. How do we get past that?

 

David Wood  

Yeah, well, I think a big step is what you just said, is to realize that if you don’t make a choice, that is choosing so for sometimes an audition request will come through. They like my profile, they like my show reel, and they want me to upload an audition tape, and then I find that I’m actually delaying. It might be two or three days go by and I’m not doing it. So clearly, there’s some part of me that’s like, I don’t really want to do it, maybe I don’t think the audition is going to be very good, or I don’t really know how to do it, or there’s something about it, but I do acknowledge that if I don’t upload that tape, that is a choice as well, and that’s fine. Some people get confused in relationships. Should I break up? Should I not? Byron Katie says maybe it’s not you making the decision. You know you’re still if you’re still with the person, then you’re with the person. One day, you might find yourself packing your bags, and then you’ll know it’s time to leave. But we have this idea that we’ve got to work it all out. Sometimes the universe does it. Does it for us, and so I don’t know that we have to get past, oh, wait, I’m not making a decision here. I think. Just acknowledge that not making a decision is a decision as well. I just had something this morning that I didn’t I didn’t know the answer to I was like, they just moved a shoot on me. It was going to be Saturday morning. Everything was set. It’s blocked off. I’ve been holding the date last minute. They decide to have it tomorrow, and now, instead of three hours, they want me for eight hours. Whoa, I’m like, what you are able to do it in three hours before now you want me the whole day. So parts therapy, right? One part of me is like, I want to do this role. I think it’d be good. Another part of me is like, I don’t know if they’ve got their act together. I’m not feeling respected. If they really want me for eight hours for something that’s not a big role. I just wonder, I don’t feel appreciated. So that’d be a really good example, to sit down with a couple of chairs and just go back and forth and then make it, make a decision, make a choice.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s incredible. My man, I want to, before we close out here, I want to talk about your book a little bit. Get Paid for who you are. And that’s the book where Jack Canfield had the forward, right?

 

David Wood  

He did, and I will say up front. That feels like a former life for me, like I wrote that about 10 years ago to help people, because everyone kept asking, How do you travel the world and work from where you want and choose your own hours and all of that? So I wrote that book, and Jack was kind enough to bless it with his forward. But the new book, The upcoming book, and we’ve already got the mini, mini book available for people, is called mouse in the room, and mouse in the room is, is we’re writing this because the elephant is not the only animal in the room.

 

Rick Jordan  

Oh my gosh, you’re already sucking me in, man.

 

David Wood  

Right. So, so you, we all know about the elephant. You see it? I see it. No one’s saying anything. Like if I showed up here with blood on my face or my shirt off, or I was 10 minutes late and didn’t say anything to your producer. That’s like an elephant, like, why is no and Come on, why is no one saying it? But many creatures in the room are much more subtle. Yeah, any thought we’re having that isn’t expressed as a mouse, any emotion, any body sensation. Any part of our experience is a mouse in the room. And I think most of us grew up hiding our experiences from people. We run it through our filters, we run it through the analysis, and then we pop out on the screen of our computer screen here, of our face, what we want the other person to see. And it leads to disconnection. It leads to less influence. It hurts us as leaders. It hurts our confidence, because we’re hiding so much so we’re writing mouse in the room, doing show people how we ca,n firstly, become aware of our own experience, just like we talked about with parts therapy. Oh, I’ve got this part of me that wants to do this project. Oh, I have another part of me that’s resistant because I’m not feeling respected. Boom, those are mice. And then if we can name those mice artfully, we can be actually truly connected with the other person, and maybe they’ll even feel permission to show a little more of what’s going on for them. And it starts going back and forth in a in a truer, deeper connection.

 

Rick Jordan  

David, that’s powerful, man. Where can people go to stay updated on when a mouse in the room is coming out?

 

David Wood  

Yeah? Well, I created a special link that’s very easy to memorize, and it’ll go to a hidden page of my site with a gift basket of goodies for listeners. Nice. And the link is my focus gift.com, you can get on my mailing list. You can listen to my podcast. Extraordinary focus. You can get a copy of the trailer that we’ve produced for Mouse in the Room. And if you want to see if we’re a fit for coaching, then there’s a link where you can request a 15-minute coaching session with me, and we’ll see if if we’d be a fit for each other, and all of these things are at myfocusgift.com

 

Rick Jordan  

Amazing. David, man, I really appreciate you being on today. Thanks for just bringing all of you and showing up today. My man, I appreciate that. 

 

David Wood  

My pleasure. Thanks, Rick.