Broken to Breakthrough | Larry Yatch

Rick Jordan  

Rick, what’s shaken? Hey, I’m Rick Jordan, and today we’re going all in. I have a special privilege for you today to hear from a good friend of mine who has been on the show. He’s returning back graduate of the US Naval Academy and former 10 year officer in the Navy SEALs, he has a brand new book out, which is freaking phenomenal how leadership actually works. Larry atch, welcome back.

 

Larry Yatch  

It’s awesome to be back. Rick , good to see you again.

 

Rick Jordan  

Yeah, good to see you too. I mean, before the show, I was just telling people how well in the production in many ways, how beautiful and sexy you are, right? And it’s, it’s it’s inside, it’s outside. We were joking about that a bit, but dude, your brain, too is just absolutely incredible. My team has had an amazing opportunity to work with you and your team on developing playbooks for us, and today we’re going to talk about your book. And I’m super excited about this, man, this has been a long time in the making, huh?

 

Larry Yatch  

No, it has. I mean, both in I’d say, the experiences that led to the insights that I share in the book, but then the entrepreneurial journey of executing those insights and proving them out of the real world. You know, add another 10 years on top of that. So, yeah, probably about total journey of two decades. Wow,

 

Rick Jordan  

wow, man. So when did the if I’m hearing you right and reading between the lines, the idea for this book came somewhere in the middle there of the last two decades?

 

Larry Yatch  

Yeah, I would say more towards the second half, right? So would I think a big difference on this book than most of the other seal books that you read is this isn’t a collection of stories from my seal experiences, which ultimately can be very entertaining, but isn’t often all that useful. And the second thing that makes it different is a vast majority of seal books are especially books on leadership or business, are principles from the seals that are being shared with a business owner. Mine, what I was working on is is less no real stories, and the principles are things that I’ve been implementing in the business world longer than I did in the seals so much more applicable to your average business owner than your average seal book.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s intriguing, man, because, I mean, we’ve had, I’ve had the great privilege and honor spending a lot of time with you over the past couple years, and I love when you start talking in this range of, like an expansive mind, you know, because I just some insight that I’ve seen on you, and I compliment you on this. It’s like what you learned in the seals was very, very rigid, and for good reason, right? Yeah, definitely, yeah, good policies, procedures and tactics, all of that. And now, every time we’ve spoken, there’s always been something to where it’s like been outside of that box that you were given. And is that what we can expect from your book is a lot of those things that you’ve taken from the seals and grown on the last couple years,

 

Larry Yatch  

definitely. And it’s like I said, the the experience in the sales provided a different environment in which to experience teams and then going into the business world, it was, I’d say, a whole lot of failures to start with, which produced a completely different set of experiences to compare against the seal stuff. And it was in the comparison of what I found in the civilian world, in the business world, against what I just felt as like breathing in the seals. It was in that comparison that we got to find the real nuggets at gold that are the best benefit to others. Dude, you

 

Rick Jordan  

must be in my head or something, because, I mean, of course, I’ve known your bio, and you’ve had over like 200 successful missions in the seals, right?

 

Larry Yatch  

Yeah, from both training and real world. And our training missions are arguably more dangerous than most real world missions in the way that we train the we always believe the more you bleed in training, the less you die in combat. So we we produce as much, if not more, risk in our training missions and our real world missions. And having that have a success rate is based not only on the raw material that seals I got to use, but more importantly, in our ability to coordinate action at a very high level, no

 

Rick Jordan  

doubt. And this is the cool part that I’m hearing from what you’re saying is you had this huge track record in the seals of just like crushing wins, right? Week after week, day after day, and then you enter the business world, and it’s like. But whoa, this is what failure looks like. Yeah,

 

Larry Yatch  

over and over again. I love that dichotomy, man. Yeah, I remember it wasn’t my choice to not be a seal anymore. I got injured, so it was kind of faced with that decision point of, what do I do now? Right? My only purpose in life up to that point was to be in Special Operations go to war. And I was right in the middle of all that when surgeon scalpel took that away from me, and at that point being faced with going into entrepreneurship, it wasn’t my choice. Like most of the entrepreneurs that we work with are kind of born entrepreneurs, just like I was born a seal, right? Like that was what I was meant to do with my life. I wasn’t like entrepreneurship, to me is was a choice, not something that I was driven to do. And I remember sitting there in the transition period while I was still in the Navy, and I just kind of started my first company, and I was reading ink. I used to love reading Ink Magazine, so I sit there and read ink. And it was the the like, ink, 500 that list that go through the whole list and read all this stuff. And I was sitting there thinking, like, Wow. I mean, this is going to be really easy, right? Like, to be able to do these things is no one’s trying to kill me. There’s no one’s trying to blow me up. Like, I get to work relatively normal hours. I don’t I don’t have to work in the world’s worst environments, like this is going to be cake. And I was very, very wrong. Like that was not the way it went.

 

Rick Jordan  

When did that smack you in the face the first time. Can you remember that moment?

 

Larry Yatch  

I’d say the first one was when, when a business partner stole from me. Oh, God, that sucks. Yeah. And it was like it just blew me. It blew me away that someone would act with their best interest, like their interests, over the one, the interest of the group, and then specifically the interest of their team, right, which I was part of, which was so opposite of the mindset in the seals, right? I cared more about your life than I cared about my own, which is what gave us unbelievable power as a team. And so that, I think that was the first time I was like, holy, I’m not in Kansas anymore. Was kind of like, you know, Alice in Wonderland type moment. Yeah, I’d say that was the first one. And then the second one was when I was building a team, where I had to build a bigger team, right? So now we’re talking 2030, people. And I remember asking a guy, we had, like, news crew coming into our facility, and asked guy to take out the garbage. And he’s like, yeah, no problem. And I come in the next day and the garbage isn’t taken out. And I went and asked him, Hey, why don’t you take out the garbage? Or why isn’t the garbage shaking. Now he’s like, Oh, I the, I didn’t have the key for the dumpster or something like that. And I just, I couldn’t believe that. That was it, like the key was in the office, like he had that there’s other dumpsters to use, like, but just having one little obstacle that he got confronted with, and that was it like, okay, then I just won’t hold my responsibility and and or tell anyone that he didn’t like that was another one just blew me completely away.

 

Rick Jordan  

Man, let’s unpack these, if we could, because I think this has to do with a lot with you as a person too, because they’re cool stories, and I’m assuming, obviously, in your book, there’s tactics that are based off of these experiences, too. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So the first time you had a partner steal from you, and you know, he’s obviously, you’ve overcome that, and you didn’t let that hinder you from actually building a team in the first place. You know, it didn’t stop you in that moment, but I could see where you would not you, but generally I I say you like people, right? Yeah, could face that first obstacle, coming from such a an amazing team environment to where it’s like your life is literally in the hands of the people that are around you, right? Not even so much from at least how you might describe even on the very first episode you’re on here, which we’ll reference in the notes. But I remember you talking about how everyone else depends on you for their lives. It isn’t actually like you depending on yourself for your own life. It’s depending on your team for them to get your back so that you survive.

 

Larry Yatch  

Yeah, and that was taken for granted, right? Like it wasn’t even a thought. And what was interesting about this is I started something didn’t add up, so then went into full like counter intelligence mission, like full blown built a dot. Like, a complete dossier on, like, what happened, and then set up the conversation of, like, oh, okay, where’s all? I was just wondering where the equipment was, and he started lying, right? So I let him lie for a good 2030, minutes, and just keep deeper and deeper and like, Well, what about these FedEx receipts of where all equipment was shipped. Like, is it still in the warehouse? Or are these receipts not accurate? And it was really interesting to just settle back into the old way of doing things like, Oh, I just have a mission now to execute on being able to find the truth. So I think to some degree being able to fall back on that background of being able to protect myself, right? Having done that homework was part of the thing that that had me not feel out of control, because even in this situation where someone was stealing, I still was in absolute control, or at least perceived perception and control. So I think that helped quite a bit. And then the other piece was really using it as a learning point, right? I wasn’t a victim to this guy. I I created the situation where he thought that was the best choice. Right, ownership of the environment I created versus being a victim to someone who was making bad choices. I looked at it somehow. I created the environment where he thought that was the best choice, and I failed in that, as opposed to being a victim of him, was, I’d say, the two big pieces that had me get through that feeling okay, like, Okay, well, I’m just gonna do this different in the future.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s a lot of self reflection, man, and it’s a I commend you for that too, because what was the conclusion you came to, what was the environment that you felt you created in order to where he thought that was the best choice?

 

Larry Yatch  

So in this predicts a particular situation he he originally created the deal. He called me in to do one job. As soon as I saw the job, he brought me in for I said, this isn’t gonna work. So I designed an entire, literally, created a surveillance system from scratch to solve the problem. Solved the problem is gonna take three years in nine months, and became the most important person there, and his ego couldn’t take it, which is what it came down to, and so understanding that I really wasn’t caring for him very well by coming in and taking everything over, even though we were sharing the revenue very well. Like, for me, I don’t care who wins, like, as long as we win, I don’t care if it’s you or me or someone else that does it, understanding that not everyone thinks like that, and understanding that there are needs in a partner, I didn’t care for his needs very well because I didn’t understand what his needs were. I thought, as long as we both make money, we’re good, and if I make him look good, that’s important, but that’s that that didn’t fulfill the needs that he had. So Was I being a good partner on you know, from my perspective, I was from his perspective, I wasn’t what matters Well, it matters that from both of our perspectives, this is a good partnership.

 

Rick Jordan  

Yeah, you’re talking about ego. I mean, ego is one of the biggest things that can trip up anybody and, Oh, for sure, leadership, geez, sometimes it goes hand in hand, right? The reason why people seek leadership is because of some sort of satisfication, of the the ego drive that they have in themselves. Did I just make up a word, satisfication? I don’t know. I’m

 

Rick Jordan  

glad we could laugh about that stuff. But anyways, they’re trying to satisfy this drive for ego that’s phenomenal. I’m gonna try to use that word again sometime, maybe not today, in that in that process, because it how do you reconcile that though, you know, and I think this is a good lesson, a good teaching point for you, and it’ll come from nobody’s mouth. Better. How do you reconcile your ego with with leadership? You know, if you’ve chosen to be in leadership, or you’ve been thrust into that, you know, because corporations, a lot of times will just throw people into leadership positions, you know, how do you reconcile your ego with the leadership responsibilities that you have?

 

Larry Yatch  

I think there needs to be a separation between ego and confidence, right? Because we can mix. As you know, for me, it’s all about words, right, precision language. And so we can make, if we make assumptions here, as to what people are hearing when they hear ego, we can miss, they could miss the mark. So let’s make a distinction between ego and confidence. For me, confidence is being able to make an assessment of my ability to to satisfy a standard of performance, right? So, right? Well, right. If I have a high degree of confidence, that means that I believe that I can meet a standard of. Performance with a high percentage of success. If I have low confidence, then I have a low likelihood, I believe I have a low likelihood of meeting a standard of performance. So that confidence level is dependent on an assessment, and that assessment can be grounded or ungrounded. So ungrounded assessments of confidence is what I consider to be ego, right? When I think I can do something that I don’t have a history or a grounded assessment based on that, right? So that’s a big difference. An ungrounded assessment of confidence is ego? A grounded assessment of confidence is confidence?

 

Rick Jordan  

Interesting, because I think when the way that you just described ego might be at some point, every single entrepreneur that’s out there, like, whatever

 

Larry Yatch  

I’ve never done,

 

Rick Jordan  

I’m thinking back at myself right now about, like, wow, I think that was kind of me, you know, like when I decided to take my company public, it’s like, I’ve never done it before. I don’t know who cares, but you know what I’m going to do it anyways. And you know what I’m going to succeed. I have no basis to say that I can succeed. I just, I’m just going to do it, no looking back.

 

Larry Yatch  

And so I would argue that comes from me go not everything that comes from me goes bad. But I think a challenge is a lot of times ego is tied to fear, right? So if, if I don’t have confidence, then I’m going to feel fear because I don’t have control, and if I have fear, oftentimes people resort to ego to protect themselves.

 

Rick Jordan  

I love how deep we get, because now I’m thinking the flip side too is that in a lot of circumstances, it might be bad to suppress an ego. Would you call that something like false humility in those circumstances? Or would that just be fear?

 

Larry Yatch  

Well, if I have so if, let’s take it back to the leadership, right? Thank you. I’m

 

Rick Jordan  

looking, yeah, because, I mean, a lot of you know, there’s probably a group of people I’m thinking, where I’m basing this on is that could be, or have the potential to be, bad ass leaders, and should be, you know? But in those moments, they’re like, I don’t think so. You know, it might not be for me, for whatever reason it is.

 

Larry Yatch  

So if I have, if I’m leading like so, if I need to to gain control of those around me because I’m acting out of fear, I’m not going to leave well. And so that if I have ego driving me right, because I’m scared, that I have an ungrounded sense of confidence, and I need to live in that ungrounded sense of confidence in order to have a perception of control. And in order to do that, I’m going to control those around me. I Will not I will never be a good leader. Now, how could we step into leadership effectively? Well, one having a grounded assessment of your abilities, right, having true confidence. And then one of the strongest tools of a true leader is vulnerability, because a leader is just coordinating action with others. So if I can ask for help through vulnerability, I can get people to do almost anything, because people need to be a purpose. So when I, when I vulnerably, ask for help from a place of having grounded confidence. Now all of a sudden, I’m inspiring effective action. That’s two different sides. Yeah. No kidding, yeah.

 

Rick Jordan  

I think, you know, because I could be, I could be a dick, right? And be like, hey, Larry, let’s answer the question of your book. How does leadership really work? But I think we’re actually diving deeper into this today, and it’s, it’s phenomenal, because all all of these, would you say most of these have come from experiences over the last 10 years of your life? And what’s the percentage of companies failures out of this?

 

Larry Yatch  

Yeah, much more, much more than the time I spent the CEOs. Yeah, right, the these lessons, like, if someone would have talked to me about the difference between ego, UNG, grounded confidence and True Confidence. Talk to me about leadership out from fear and need for control, versus leadership from vulnerability and a need for help. My life would have been 100 times easier in this field. Wow, it would have been 1000 times easier in business.

 

Rick Jordan  

Did the seals teach you to have a certain element of control at all times? And that’s why you brought that into business,

 

Larry Yatch  

a false sense of control. Interesting, like I needed to. Pretend to have control over things I didn’t have in order to take action in environments that would have frozen anyone in fear.

 

Rick Jordan  

Man, how did you overcome that personally conditioned response? Huh? Tell me more. So

 

Larry Yatch  

yeah, I’d say two things, condition response and emotional disconnection. So as a leader in the seals, I had to be emotionally disconnected. Wasn’t allowed to experience my emotions when they came up. If I did, that would have slowed down or paralyzed my decisions, which would have resulted in mission failure and losing seals. So one is, there had to be a psychological break, right? They had to break an you know, a normal human is, is mental, physical, emotional, energetic, right? All together at once in order to effectively work in a combat environment, you have a disconnection from all the parts that make you complete human. So I believe it can be complete human is meant as a mental side, a physical side, an emotional side, side as a seal, especially as an officer in the seals, you can only be mental. I can’t my physical side. I can’t be connected to because I’m going to constantly putting my body in danger, and it’s going to suck, like it’d be miserable, painful experiences. So if you’re worried about that, you would make different choices. On the emotional side, any emotions are going to slow down or taint the decisions I made. So you can’t experience emotion, and I don’t get to decide when I have energy and feel connected, or when I don’t have energy and don’t feel connected. You have to execute no matter what. So that energetic side you can’t be connected to, wow. So it just mental. And in order to do that, you have to have a major psychological break and that. But the psychological break has to occur before you become a seal. That’s why I say the common trait among all seals is you got to be messed up in the head, like you have to start off broken and then budge. Just reinforces it, and the training adds on top of it every single session.

 

Rick Jordan  

Wow. So they’re looking for individuals that have some sort of, I don’t know, conditioned response already, if I could, yeah,

 

Larry Yatch  

disassociated personality, you can’t. You can’t be a complete human and make it through seal train. Interesting.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s because, I mean, the obviously, I never knew you back then, and I see you now very much. So as a complete human, 14 years of repair, Yeah, no kidding, man, which a lot of that has probably gone into your book too, that are in there talking

 

Larry Yatch  

how, how and why, because it’s very hard to it was not it was effective to lead men in that disassociated state. When they’re all disassociated, to try and lead normal humans in that state, it doesn’t work well, hence my initial failures, which required me to then understand, well, how did normal humans interact and coordinate action, which is a lot more challenging than seals. Hence why the last 12 years have been more valuable than the first 10.

 

Rick Jordan  

I like how you say normal humans, because I don’t think that entrepreneurs are necessarily, necessarily normal

 

Larry Yatch  

human. This is where I think, this is where I think it’s an interesting overlay, right? As an entrepreneur, you are not like any of the people on your team, yeah, which is where most of the problems come in, right? Because you’re like, why don’t they do what they’re supposed to do. Why don’t they act like I act? Why don’t they think like I think, because you’re not normal, right? If you were normal, you’d be working for someone else.

 

Rick Jordan  

Truth. I tried that didn’t work so well for a few years. So, yeah, that’s where I’m making the connection. It’s because you’re tired. It’s like you have to be broken to be a seal in for me, it’s like I know, because, you know, we you and I have done work together to, you know, from a coaching perspective, that I knew that I was broken when I decided to be an entrepreneur, you know, just like kind of when you came out of the seals, you were already broken. And then it was reinforced in the seals, which the same. I think corporate America kind of reinforced that for me when I was working in corporate America, the brokenness that I already had and the disassociation that I already had, I’m making these connections now, as we’re talking man, it’s mind-boggling.

 

Larry Yatch  

Yeah, I’d say four domains that are all the same. So it’s the same person, different purpose. So. Professional operations, entrepreneurship, surgeons and professional athletes. Wow, all four are the same person with different purposes. They have to be you can’t be normal and be good at any of those four things, they’re all abnormal because a normal person can’t, wouldn’t, and couldn’t do what needs to be done to get to those four levels.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s mind-blowing. As I’m like, Yeah, well, no, that makes sense. I mean, a surgeon literally cuts people open. I don’t think you can be normal to be like, yes, I want to go cut people open for a living.

 

Larry Yatch  

And the risk, think of the risk associated with or the responsibility, yeah, that is associated with cutting people like, I’m going to be responsible for lives. Literally, yeah, you know, there’s what heart surgeons that have the heart in your hand. Literally, no

 

Rick Jordan  

doubt, man, so how do you start to repair this brokenness? Because, or how did you anyways, I guess is a better question.

 

Larry Yatch  

I would say the like, if I was to, we’ll touch talk the fundamental principle. Like, the core principle is it’s it’s all a trick, like we’re tricking ourselves, right? We pretend that we can’t be present in the moment, right? Trauma teaches you to be stuck in the past behavior or the future of it happening again. But can I actually be in the future of the past? No, all I can do is pretend, in this moment to be in the future of the past. And so it’s this. The core secret to it is present, being present. And how do we become present? We have to be aware. We have to be aware of the environment that we’re in. We have to be aware of our interpretation of that environment, and we have to be aware of our individual state in absolute awareness, awareness, I have absolute presence and absolute presence, I am I’m That is heaven, right? That is Nirvana, that is enlightenment, that is God, that is love, is is this present moment. And it’s only in our pretending to be outside of this that we actually have any suffering in our life. That’s,

 

Rick Jordan  

I don’t know, of a truer statement, man, anytime I there’s moments, I mean, I don’t do this much anymore, quite frankly, because of a lot of the work that you and I have done and work I’ve done with other people, man, but you know, you helped me blow this up for me, to where it was always really like living in the future. That was one of my things. I didn’t care too much about the past whatsoever. It’s like, it’s done, it’s done. But me was always living in the future. And

 

Larry Yatch  

for you is a lack of future. So you are living in the lack of future, yeah, right, if we get really specific about it, which is like a double-sided trap,

 

Rick Jordan  

mind blowing man. I was never there, you know, prior to just a couple years ago, I was never and it still blows my mind on how I was able to achieve some degree of success being that way. You know, being that broken individual, not even realizing or being aware of that brokenness in the moment. I just thought that the drive would always take me to where I needed to go. But it was the driver limiting me.

 

Larry Yatch  

Our our traumas produce our superpower and our kryptonite, just like the story of Superman. I mean, that’s I love that story so much based on the fact that the biggest trauma in Superman’s life was the destruction of his planet and all the people he would ever care about and love in that he was sent to the earth, being sent to the earth gives him superpowers. The only thing that takes away his superpowers is when a piece of his planet, Krypton, kryptonite, is brought near him, and then all of a sudden, his core trauma leads to his weakness. Human beings are the exact same thing, your your core trauma, your brokenness, your disassociation is what gives you your superpowers, but that same trauma or overuse of those superpowers creates your kryptonite.

 

Rick Jordan  

I love it, man. I think everybody could benefit from someone one-on-one work with you. No joke, a good place to start, I think would be your book. You know, I’ve only, I haven’t read through it yet. I’ve looked at just the synopsis of it, and, man, it’s just so intriguing to me. And, yeah, no doubt. And I can’t wait. Is there an audio book coming?

 

Larry Yatch  

Is there? It’s out already? It is.

 

Rick Jordan  

Oh, sweet. That’s how I that’s how I roll. Man, yeah, audible.

 

Larry Yatch  

And it’s not my voice. So I won’t put you to sleep.

 

Rick Jordan  

I think your your bombshell moment on this episode, man, was you were talking about the four people that are all the same purpose, or same person, just with different purposes in life. It’s, it’s,

 

Larry Yatch  

it’s amazing. And what, what I love about that is we’re not alone, like you’re not oftentimes, being one of those four people is feels very isolating, yeah, but we aren’t alone. We are. We are a type, right? We are, you know, a subset of overall population, and it you’re able to find, I think I always find comfort in knowing that I’m not the only one, yeah, and understanding that. And think of the path it takes you have to take to be a surgeon, or the path you have to take to be a professional athlete or in the special operations like most of the people on here, on the path of entrepreneurship, right? That path is just as hard as becoming a surgeon, becoming a professional athlete, becoming a special operator and and like just because you don’t get the same notoriety as those three doesn’t mean it isn’t any easier, and it is just as hard like I would say I’d go to war and go to buds any day over starting a business again.

 

Rick Jordan  

Yeah, Right on, man, I feel you two questions before we we close this out today, because there’s these four types of people, right? And the audience of the show is, generally speaking, entrepreneurs. You know, I don’t know many pro athletes that are listening. I think I know of a couple. But generally speaking, on the entrepreneurs, you know, because if we’re these four people, right, or one of these four people, and we’re broken, what’s the first step to going to get help for that,

 

Larry Yatch  

I would say. So, I mean, I’m going to answer this kind of in an odd way, which I guess I answer everything in somewhat of an odd way. So I guess I don’t love you. Yeah, the I believe that our natural state, let me be more specific, our natural experience as a human should be that of joy, fulfillment and happiness, and that anywhere that we are experiencing anything but joy, fulfillment and happiness is an arrow pointing at where we are not living in truth. And so I’ve been using suffering as an as a indicator of where I’m missing something like my life should not suck every day. My experience of life should not be that of it’s sucking every single day. And if it is, I’m I’m living in an untruth. I’m missing something. And so if I was to give Like the first step, the very first step, for for anyone, it’s living in the truth that your life should not suck every day. Our natural state is joy, happiness and fulfillment, and therefore, anywhere that I have suffering is a gift from the part of me that is greater than me, the universe, source, God, whatever your belief system is that’s the gift to point us in the right direction. And so starting to look at, where in your life are you suffering, where in your life are you not experiencing joy, fulfillment and happiness, and then ask, starting to ask some questions of why, you know, I’m missing something. If that’s my experience, I’m not wrong for doing it, but I’m missing something. It’s an indicator. I’d say that’d be where I’d start.

 

Rick Jordan  

That’s powerful man. The follow up question to that is the flip side of it, right? Because these four people are obviously not the majority of the world. So for those that are listening and you have one of these four people that are in your life, what’s the best way to support them? You know, while they’re going through this process of, you know, putting the pieces back together or even helping them become aware that they’re broken in the first place, what’s the best way to support them?

 

Larry Yatch  

I think our ability to to change is dependent on our ambition, and our ambition is a desire for change. Without a desire for change, I’m going to stay exactly where I’m at as someone that cares for an individual that is. Is, is living in struggle or unhappiness or lack of fulfillment, having them understand that it can be different, right? Our need, our ambition, is driven by clarity of or dissatisfaction with where I am today, clarity on where I want to go, and a perception of power that I can get there. And so filling in those three dots for the individual, of letting them realize that it is okay to be dissatisfied with today. It doesn’t have to be like this. What do you want? And that is actually then your natural state, and then saying being on their team to produce a perception that they can actually change something that’s that would be like oxygen to a drowning person.

 

Rick Jordan  

Oh, man, I can only imagine, you know, because being you and I both being in that minority of one of these four people, I can only imagine putting myself in the shoes of the people that are around us sometimes, you know, yeah,

 

Larry Yatch  

 I think we make them more miserable than we are.

 

Rick Jordan  

No doubts, no doubts, and we feel

 

Larry Yatch  

like we’re alone and all they want to do is help. Yeah,

 

Rick Jordan  

yeah, for sure, man, I appreciate you how leadership really works. It is available everywhere, I’m assuming Amazon, you know, wherever you search it. It’s awesome. I love doing this. The first 10 people to DM me off this episode, you know what? We’ll send you a copy of Larry’s book, you know, from the show. You know, on our expense, because everybody needs to get this. I know this, you know, regardless, I think if you’re one of those four people, if you’re one of those four people, if you’re not one of those four people, I think you need to do that, because then maybe you’ll get an insight into the psychoses that is one of these four people. Larry, you’re awesome. Man SEAL team leaders.com Larry atch, appreciate you, brother. Thanks for coming on, man, and going all in. 

 

Larry Yatch  

Oh, my pleasure. You.